February 4, 2024 (Pikachu discussion)
Poker PaulDevil — 02/04/2024 4:10 AM
@Velcroc thoughts on pikachu
Apparently its not v good in cg nfe but idk man I feel like that thing is still fucked up
Runo — 02/04/2024 4:31 AM
what checks it here
@Poker PaulDevil
Poker PaulDevil — 02/04/2024 4:42 AM
Same shit in reg nfe, altho im not too clued in on that meta
Its a stronger, but slower and unable to hold an item version of ebuzz I feel
Also much frailer ofc
Runo — 02/04/2024 4:53 AM
which is?
(i dont play nfe)
Poker PaulDevil — 02/04/2024 4:56 AM
Grasses
Usually it struggles w gabite
Relies on surf
Uhh
Serv tang rose
Etc
All get volted on and koffed but ebuzz does the same thing
Different is pikachu has an effective 150 spatk
Runo — 02/04/2024 5:00 AM
doesn't it just
HP Ice all of those here?
Poker PaulDevil — 02/04/2024 5:05 AM
Hp ice is bad
Volt/koff/surf r mandatory
Maybe you can use it over tbolt?
I did that with ebuzz before it got koff
No tbolt and run tox last
Velcroc — 02/04/2024 7:48 AM
here it gets fake speed, and has a much better physical set
Poker PaulDevil — 02/04/2024 8:15 AM
It has fake in regular iirc
It relies on like
Brick break to beat grounds which is :worrywhirl~4:
Velcroc — 02/04/2024 8:25 AM
does Pikachu get knock off in regular?
it does
hmm
I think without extreme speed, pikachu can't really pick off faster stuff revenging it
maybe it's like NDOU mega medi in current NFE
Poker PaulDevil — 02/04/2024 8:36 AM
Its B-
Which honestly shocked me?
I feel like surely its better
Ebuzz esp with koff is insane competition
[HOT TAKES] Leon — 02/04/2024 8:36 AM
ya u can try testing pika
tho espeed is a bitch
also gets more reliable moves in surf/knot
in sv nfe raboot is mid too
Velcroc — 02/04/2024 8:41 AM
SV pikachu also gets that
Honestly you can run tbolt, knock, surf, play rough in regular NfE
February 20, 2024 (Dipplin discussion)
Poker PaulDevil — 02/20/2024 10:49 AM
@Velcroc curious on how u think dipplin should be handled
I think it will p obviously be quite broken and restricting and letting it be around in ssnl would be messed up
Just dont have any tangible proof its broken, might need to build some teams and mess around w it
Anyone else free to give thoughts asw
Velcroc — 02/20/2024 10:54 AM
I think the growth set pushes it
Poker PaulDevil — 02/20/2024 11:03 AM
Certainly
Sticky hold in nfe sure is busted
Velcroc — 02/20/2024 11:04 AM
I could keep the sticky hold recover set
ngl
but any small change is enough to break it
Poker PaulDevil — 02/20/2024 11:06 AM
Its movepool is so terrible that theres also just no reason to not use growth
And growth just
Cooks the entire tier
Bar like tinkatuff…and togetic
February 27, 2024 (course of action discussion)
[HOT TAKES] Leon — 02/27/2024 9:18 PM
so whats our next course of action
we can like
A. create a survey about tera vs dipplin
B. create an nfe tera free tour and survey after it ends
C. quickban dipplin
D. free tera (unrealistic) and see how the meta goes
or E. just update our VR LOL
Velcroc — 02/27/2024 9:33 PM
p sure we updated realistically
I would say A and B
February 28, 2024 (continued)
Poker PaulDevil — 02/28/2024 9:09 AM
Im gonna side with C here
I think dipplin is pretty obviously broken
Shit like magmar and buzz prolly are too but they arent like unplayable levels of bad
I think dip is just heinously broken
[HOT TAKES] Leon — 02/28/2024 9:12 AM
but the timeframe?
Now
Ladder (who knows when, anything ranging from March to like July / August)
Seasonal (June 23rd)
[HOT TAKES] Leon — 02/28/2024 10:33 AM
pinging @NFE Council for input
Derp — 02/28/2024 10:34 AM
dipplin should not be allowed to look in this tiers direction
[HOT TAKES] Leon — 02/28/2024 10:37 AM
lmao
[HOT TAKES] Leon — 02/28/2024 12:32 PM
(btw nd nfe might be in nfepl, just letting yall know)
I think paul knows already
Velcroc — 02/28/2024 1:26 PM
Oh sick
Good call
[HOT TAKES] Leon — 02/28/2024 1:49 PM
ok since it's not very clear
Ban Dipplin
quickban= 👍
do not ban= 👎
wait= 🇼
w--> wait until ladder, seasonal, or nfepl to take action / start with a survey first / consider action on (freeing) tera first
@NFE Council
pinging once again
Poker PaulDevil — 02/28/2024 6:34 PM
We shouldnt have obviously hideously broken mons going into nfepl/ndotpl
Ig we’ll have seasonal to gauge
[HOT TAKES] Leon — 02/28/2024 6:35 PM
the meta might adapt to it, you never know
[HOT TAKES] Leon — 02/28/2024 7:23 PM
3 Ws
W
derp will vote ban
still it's not 3/5, dipp stays
it's time for a tera+dipplin survey
@ nfe council yeah?
let's see what the public thinks about terastallization
Poker PaulDevil — 02/28/2024 7:25 PM
Seasonal will give us the substance to ban
[HOT TAKES] Leon — 02/28/2024 7:25 PM
seasonal is on 23rd June
long time
nfepl is PROBABLY sooner than that
Poker PaulDevil — 02/28/2024 7:25 PM
Im ngl for tiers like this, surveys r not the way to go
[HOT TAKES] Leon — 02/28/2024 7:25 PM
so ye
Poker PaulDevil — 02/28/2024 7:26 PM
Nfepl is historically in like fall